Children’s participation in protest is due to their higher consciousness: Abhaya Sahoo

The interview came in Orissa Diary on 24th June 2011.

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Children’s participation in protest is due to their higher consciousness: Abhaya Sahoo

Amidst controversial but successful method of taking help of children to stage Dharana in Govindur village under Kujang Tehsil to prevent the entry of the administration to acquire land in the area, POSCO Pratirodha Sangram Samiti (PPSS) observed ‘Black Day’ on 22nd June to protest the day on which MoU was signed by the Orissa government with the south Korean Steel Giant: POSCO. Its leader Abhaya Sahoo terms the decision of administration for temporary suspension of land acquisition as a victory of people, though temporary, which PPSS promises to convert into a permanent victory. In an exclusive interview he speaks to Pradeep Baisakh, Senior Editor, OrissaDiary and clears air over controversies surrounding their struggle.

Photo: Abhaya Sahoo

Orissa Diary: The government has announced for a temporary suspension of land acquisition in Govindpur/Dhinkia area? Do you consider it as your victory?

Abhaya Sahoo: Temporarily suspended. So it’s also a temporary victory. But we want to convert it to a permanent victory. We have miles to go. We have to strengthen our organisation so also our movement to achieve the permanent goal.

OD: Who this victory is attributed to?

AS: The democratic movement has forced the state government to withdraw the land acquisition process for a temporary period. It also needs to be noted that by the political atmosphere, which was created on the ground, the Naveen government was sidelined. All political partied except the ruling Biju Janata Dal (BJD) came and extended their support to the POSCO Pratirodh Sangram despite the difference amongst themselves. Several social and political activists of national stature and reputation also visited and extended support.

OD: Has the visit of many national level activists like Medha Patkar, Swami Agnivesh, Gurudas Dasgupta, Rajgopal and others and the visit of representatives (from within Orissa) of political parties like CPI, CPI (M), Congress and others boosted the morale of the protesting people?

AS: Naturally several national social and political activists came here and the way they addressed the protesting people, it mounted pressure on the government on one hand and encouraged the people on the other. The leaders now keep coming. Their solidarity keeps the morale of people high and strengthens the movement.

OD: A new aspect of the movement added this time where you have preferred children to form the frontal barricade of the human chain formed that literally stopped the police to enter into the village. Do not you think the issue of child rights is involved here?

AS: Basic responsibility lies with the government to make congenial atmosphere for the children to go to school. I think that aspect is avoided deliberately by the state government. Since the parents are being beaten up by the police and the armed police are confronting the democratically protesting People, so the children are compelled to participate in the protest Dharanas. I will say it’s the higher consciousness of the children that they have come forward to rescue of their parents and to safeguard their livelihood.

OD: Do you see the temporary suspension of land acquisition by the government as a trick to befool people and make some new strategy to enter the area by taking people by surprise?

AS: I see this retreat of the government as a tactic to buy time and come again in a big way. This is one thing. We however are all for strengthening our movement and mobilize people in and around so that the pitch of democratic protest goes up which the government will find hard to ignore. It may then budge to the wishes of people.

OD: The government seems to be firm in establishing the POSCO project in this area since it has started construction work in the Polang and other villages where it has already acquired land. How do you respond to that?

AS: If you take law into consideration, since there is no MoU (MoU has expired and yet to be renewed) with POSCO, the government should have not taken any construction work for POSCO now. But they have done it which is beyond law. They are violating the law. We are also organising people from the side where construction work is going on so that they oppose the construction work. Some individuals have taken the shelter of the High Court against the illegal order of the Environment Ministry of GoI and illegal land acquisition. The court will be hearing the case soon.

OD: Visiting personalities like Swami Agnivesh, Medha Patkar urged the government to hold talks with the protesting people. Shall you be willing to talk to the government?

AS: Democratic dialogue has a good space in a democratic movement that we cannot avoid. Last year we had a direct dialogue with the Chief Minister also. But he did not keep up to his promise to visit our area. If the state government wants to start a negotiation with PPSS it should create a congenial atmosphere. For that it has to stop land acquisition, withdraw armed police from the area and withdraw false cases clamped on innocent people, and then PPSS will consider any offer of dialogue with the government.

OD: But you are firm on your position for the relocation of the POSCO project from this location. This does not leave any room for negotiation. On what subject then the government holds dialogue on?

AS: This is our basic demand that the government must withdraw the POSCO project from here. If the government is not keen in withdrawing project from our area, they may not come for any dialogue. The movement has come to the stage where the government cannot resort to use of force to establish the project as ours is a democratic movement and this is also a democratically elected government. Dialogue is of course a preferred way for working out solutions.

OD: What is your impression on United Action Committee (UAC), a pro-POSCO outfit? Does it represent the people’s will or it’s a creation of the government to confuse the media and public?

AS: It’s a creation of the government and the company. They have lost their entity. Their chairman has resigned. They are also divided with respect of who would get the contract for undertaking construction work in the area. They are now afraid of people and they are going to be more divided.

OD: Veteran BJD leader Damodar Rout alleges that since you do not belonging to this area, so you do not have any locus standi to lead the movement?

AS: The person who has made such complaints against me himself does not belong to this area. So he and I fit into the same category. If he has the right to make complaints I have the right to fight for protecting the interest of people.

OD: If everyone starts opposing the industrial projects like this then what will be the future of industrial of the state?

AS: It’s not good to oppose industrialisation for the sake of opposition. We are of very scientific view that the industrialisation should not come at the cost of vibrant agrarian economy. That’s our objective and stand. It can be take in some barren land where there is no or faltering agriculture. We are not opposed to industrialisation.

OD: If in place of POSCO, which is a foreign company, an India company like TATA proposes to build steel plant in the area, would you also oppose the same way?

AS: It’s not a question of domestic or foreign capital. At no cost a rich agrarian economy can be sacrificed for such industries.

OD: Police has been camping in the area for some months now. Are people in the village facing any difficulty due to this?

AS: People are facing different types of socio-economic difficulties due to the police presence. At one point the police was camping in the schools inside the village, which was hampering the education of the children. This is however not possible for them due to the movement of the people. The police presence at the entry point to the area, namely Balitutha prevents the activist to go out of our area. Ceremonies could not be held in villages. People cannot go out to meet relatives, cannot go out for undertaking economic activities etc. So a lot of social and economic hardships people have to face.

OD: Are people facing any health related hardships?

AS: On occasions the health of the people has been complicated due to improper access to hospitals. But PPSS has arranged heath camps for the needy people and we have asked solidarity organisations to provide doctors to look the ailing people.

OD: At this testing moment what is your appeal for the public who are sympathisers of the anti-POSCO movement?

AS: To express solidarity to this anti-POSCO movement has been a key contribution of our friends and well wishers outside. It has helped us a lot in keeping our momentum. It has also kept building pressure on the state and central government in many ways. We urge the public at large to oppose any forceful attempt of land acquisition and help us visiting us, by writing to the government to withdraw force, by simultaneously undertake protest march or Dharanas in other areas.

Intensive farming responsible for farmers’ suicides

This piece came in Orissa diary on 18th June 2011 and in Counter Currents on 17th June 2011

Link: http://www.orissadiary.com/CurrentNews.asp?id=27334

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Intensive farming responsible for farmers’ suicides

By Pradeep Baisakh

POSCO steel is a water guzzler. If they are beneficial to us, they should be beneficial to South Korea also, why then they are coming to India ?

Dr Devinder Sharma

Devinder Sharma, Journalist, Food Policy Analyst and an activist speaks to Pradeep Baisakh, Senior Editor, Orissa Diary on the issue of farmers' suicide, role of Micro Finance Institutions, water conflict between industry and agriculture sector, with special focus on Orissa.

Q: Odisha is not much known for farmers' suicide the way we hear it in Vidarbha, Andhra Pradesh etc. But of late such cases are being reported in the media. What's the reason?

A: When you look at the issue of farmers' suicide, it's an indication of the crisis that exists in the agriculture sector. This is linked to monoculture and intensive or industrial farming model, which have been implemented in the country. Vidharbha for instance has been in the news on the issue of farmers' suicide mainly because there is one NGO namely Vidharbha Jan Andolan Samiti which regularly compiles the figures of farmers suicide and feeds to the media. Unfortunately there are no such NGOs elsewhere to do a similar job. So we do not get the real picture of farmers distress in other areas where conditions are equally bad. Suppose this NGO also stops compiling suicide figures, our impression about Vidharbha as a suicide belt of India will also disappear. In other words, not only in Vidharbha, agriculture across the country is in a terrible crisis.

The primary cause of farm suicide is the destruction of natural resources. Due to intensive farming soil has been destroyed and ground water has plummeted. Inputs like use of fertiliser and pesticides have destroyed the environment. Unwanted technologies have added to the woes. The input cost e.g. the cost of the seeds, fertilisers and pesticides have gone up whereas the output cost has remained more or less same in the last twenty years. If you adjust for inflation, output prices have remained more or less frozen. So what do you expect the farmer to do? They collapse under agrarian distress and commit suicide.

In Odisha the suicide rates are not as high as in Maharastra or Punjab. That's because Odisha still follows sustainable farming practices. It is yet to completely switch over to intensive farming.

Odisha has yet not adopted the ‘intensive farming' model that the green revolution areas are plagued with. The lessons here are very clear. If you want the farmers to suffer push them into intensive farming. I find Odisha is now at the crossroads. It is under pressure from agribusiness to go in for industrial farming. It has therefore to decide what path -- sustainable or unsustainable -- it wants to pick up for its farmers.

Q: Can you explain what intensive or industrial farming model is?

A: Soil comprises of organic matter. The effort should be on how to ensure that the organic matter is released to plants in a sustainable manner. Under the industrial farming model, the use of chemical fertilisers, pesticides and hybrid seeds are promoted in an intensive way. Over the years, chemical fertilisers have upset the equilibrium of micro-organism in the soil. The organic matter in the soil should be at least 2%. If it is 4% content, nothing like it. Now look at Punjab, where the organic matter in the soil has come down to a low of 0.1-0.2%. In other words due to excessive use of chemical fertilisers, organic matter in the soils is almost zero. Under such conditions, crop production is dependent upon how much chemical fertilisers you use. It is primarily for the lack of organic matter in soil that farmers are now applying twice the quantity of fertilisers that they used to apply some 10 years ago for getting the same harvest. What is not being realised is that the soil is gasping for breath. The desperate need of the hour is to regenerate the soil.

Similarly, the use and abuse of chemical pesticides have played havoc with the environment and food chain. All this has been necessitated because we developed high-yielding crop varieties and hybrids that were responsive to chemical fertilisers and pesticides.

These crop varieties are also water guzzlers. A high-yielding variety (HYV) of rice, for example, consumes on an average 5000 litres of water to produce 1 kg of grain. For the hybrid varieties, the water requirement is as high as 7000 to 7500 litres for a 1 kg of rice production. Hybrid seeds have hybrid vigour and therefore its seed have to be purchased afresh every year. This means more in put cost for the farmer. In any case, till now hybrid rice occupied about 3% area under cultivation. Now the government is aggressively pushing the use of hybrid seeds under Rashtriya Krishi VikasYojana. As a result we will see water mining literally sucking the groundwater levels dry. Any shortfall in rain will turn into a severe drought-like condition because the groundwater levels will fall drastically because of hybrid seeds promotion.

Q: In many cases of farmer's suicides there appears to be a linkage with small loans taken from Micro-Finance Institutions (MFIs). Are MFIs also responsible for agrarian distress?

A: There is no denying that micro-finance is a killer. It looks very attractive under the garb of disbursing small credit at a cheaper rate to build the capacity of the poor and thereby alleviate poverty. In reality, it does the opposite. I fail to understand how poverty can be banished when the poor are given small loans up to Rupees 10,000 on an exorbitant annual interest rate of 24%, which in reality turns out to be as high as 48% on weekly recovery. If you and I were to be also charged a usurping interest of 24 % we would surely slide into poverty. Micro-finance is therefore nothing short of a crime against humanity.

In the cities, we can buy a car on a loan at an interest averaging 6-7%. House loans up to rupees 20 lakh are available at 8 % interest. Why should then the poorest of the poor be charged 24 % for a paltry amount? This is nothing but crime. And now look at the hypocrisy of MFIs. They have gone to the Reserve Bank of India pleading for an extension of their repayment period for loans to 5-6 years. MFIs expect the poorest of the poor to repay at weekly intervals but when it comes to them, they are seeking a repayment period of 5-6 years. Isn't this double standard? I have no hesitation in saying that the MFIs bosses need to be held accountable for the crime they continue to inflict on the poor.

Often MFIs respond by saying they have empowered the poor with micro-finance. This is a cruel joke. As I said earlier, if anyone like you and me were to repay back our loans at an interest rate of 24% with weekly instalments, we too would remain perpetually in poverty. The stories that some women have succeeded with MFIs loans is not only unconvincing but are more often than not simply cooked up. As the private money lenders (who charge still higher rate of interests) and they too will tell you stories of several poor who turned the tables with their loans. So if the MFIs brand the private money lenders as criminals, I see no reason why they too need to be seen as anything different. MFIs are nothing but organised money lenders.

Q: People also are taking multiple credits?

A: The repayment cycle is so designed that poor have no choice but to take multiple credit thereby falling in multiple trap. When the poor women cannot repay at weekly intervals they come under so much of peer pressure that they are left with no other option but to commit suicide. Most of the poor in the rural areas are either small farmers or landless labourers. It is therefore obvious that farmer suicide has a direct correlation with the functioning of MFIs.

Let me illustrate. If a poor woman in West Bengal wants to buy a goat she gets a loan from an MFI at 24%. On the other hand, the previous government had made available credit to Tatas for setting up its manufacturing facility for Nano car at an interest of 1%. Isn’t this ironical? If the poor woman was also to be given a small loan at 1% interest I bet she would be driving a Nano car at the end of the year.

Q: In many cases, relatives of the victims of farmer suicides allege that coercive methods are used by MFIs to recover loan thereby creating a desperate situation wherein the borrower is forced to commit suicide. Has the government done enough on this issue?

A: This is true. Recently, primarily for this reason Andhra Pradesh had brought in a law to regulate MFIs. I am told the Centre is brining in another law which will over-ride the AP law. It is therefore obvious that no lessons have been learnt. The Centre appears keen to protect the erring MFIs. This probably follows from the global euphoria in recent years in favour of the MFIs. Such a feeling emanated after the Nobel Peace prize was given to Mohammed Yunus of Bangladesh. No one ever asked Yunus whether he had ever taken a loan at an interest rate of 24% for himself or for his family. The same is true for the head of Basix and SKS Finance in India. They have never taken a loan for themselves at 24%.

I fail to understand why the shutter should not be pulled down on MFIs. The RBI can do that. I have always said that if farmers can be given cooperative loans at 3% (some States give at 1%) why the same loan cannot be extended to the SHGs?

Q: Farmers in Western Odisha districts like Balangir and Kalahandi, which are also part of the KBK (Undivided Kalahandi, Balangir and Koraput) region, have started using Bt cotton seed for cotton farming. Is it legal? What will be the impact of the entry of Bt seeds to Odisha agro-market given that it has led to farm crisis elsewhere?

A: I think it does not matter if this is legal or illegal. The governments all over the country are supporting Bt cotton or genetically modified cotton. Under public pressure some of the governments may say something, but basically all of them barring a few exceptions are sold to the idea of GM crops.

KBK as an area has been in news for long and for wrong reasons. We all know what has gone wrong with KBK, which otherwise is a naturally well endowed region. Early in 1990s when I visited the area to research for my book, people had started shifting to cash crops. You cannot only blame the seed companies for the shift. My view is the farmers are also responsible for the mess they have created in agriculture. Normally we all blame the government. But somewhere down the line we need to also see where the farmer is at fault. If in the last fifteen years more then 2.5 lakh farmers have committed suicide much of the blame also rests with farmers. They have gone equally greedy and wanted to be rich overnight and did all the wrong things. They complain that they have been taken for a ride while purchasing a particular type of seed, this is not believable. I think as a community they must come together to understand what has gone wrong. Look at the farmers union. Are any of them taking the issue of farmers' suicide seriously?

In KBK region also farmers have tried to be rich overnight. There is always a government pressure through various ‘Kisan Melas' to adopt a particular model of farming or promoting a particular brand of seed. But the farmer should know what seed they are using and what would its effect be.

There is one farmer Subhash Sharma in Vidharbha region who owns 16 acres of land. He grows organic crops for the domestic market; does not use any chemical fertilisers or pesticides and still makes good profit. To his 50-odd workers, he gives an annual bonus and also provides them leave travel concession with 50 holidays every year. If one farmer can do this, why can't others? Still more importantly, Subhash Sharma farms in the heart of the suicide belt of Vidharbha. This only shows that there still is hope provided the farmers learn to apply the right kind of farming techniques and approaches.

Q: Is the water conflict between industry and agriculture real? Or do we have sufficient water resources to afford for both the sectors?

A: Water conflict is now all pervasive. In Gujrat, Andhara Pradesh, Punjab conflict is being witnessed around the contentious issue of water distribution. Odisha is also going to be major problematic area because the influx of private companies will divert a lot of water being used by the communities. Most of the companies which originate in other Asian countries are coming here for water. For example, POSCO (A South Korean steel giant which is going to make huge investment in Odisha) originates from South Korea which is faced with a terrible water crisis. Crisis there is so precarious that here is one country (there may be other countries) which actually erected underground dams for preserving and conserving groundwater. Steel manufacturing process is one of the worst water consuming. Therefore if Korea permits companies like POSCO to guzzle water then there will be little water left for domestic use. Therefore Korea is allowing steel and car manufacturers (car production tops the list as far as water consumption is concerned) to set up plants outside the country. But in our quest for more FDI we allow these companies to set in. We are simply ignoring the environmental cost. By the time we realise it, it will be too late.

Q: Despite a large number of cases of farmers' suicide why the farmers union have not been successful in taking up the issue and improve upon the situation?

A: There was a time when the farmers union were doing very well. The prominent farmer leaders are Narayan Swami Naidu in Tamil Nadu, Sarad Joshi, a national scale leader, Mahendra Singh Tikayat in North India , Dr Sunilam in MP and others. They were popular and had a lot of support from the farmers. But over the years most of the farmer's leader stared getting into elections. That is where the process of weakening of the farmers union started. Narayan Swami Naidu fought election and lost. Then his movement fizzled out. Similarly Sharad Joshi fought lections and lost. His ‘Chetkari Sangatahan' lost its sheen and there are almost no followers now. The gentleman is now in the bandwagon of Mansantos, the infamous seed company. Similarly Mahendar Singh Tikayat's original 'Bhartiya Kishan Sangathan' has fragmented to so many splinter groups. He is very sick now and his son entered into politics and lost deposits. This is the beginning of the end of the farmers' movement. I have a feeling that the way Trade Union leaders failed the workers movement similarly the farmer leaders have failed the farmers' movement. Every farmer leaders have political ambitions.

2.5 lakh farmers committed suicide, but not a single farmer leader has the guts to come and sit on fast. On one occasion I had offered them that I will go on fast on the issue and you join. Then gradually farmers will join from across the country, but none accepted my offer. The farmers are in search of honest farmer leaders who can lead them and rescue from the current agro crisis.

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The author is the Senior Editor, Orissa Diary. He can be contacted through e mail: 2006pradeep@gmail.com

Prevent possible genocide in proposed POSCO area of Orissa: Dr B D Sharma

The interview came in Orissa Diary (http://www.orissadiary.com/) on 15th June 2011

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Prevent possible genocide in proposed POSCO area of Orissa: Dr B D Sharma

 By Pradeep Baisakh

 

Dr B D Sharma

Dr. B D Sharma, former Chairperson of SC/ST Commission, President, Bharat Jana Andolan and an authoritative voice on tribal issues visited proposed POSCO area in Jagatsingpur district on 7th June 2011 to witness the people's protest against the forceful land acquisition by the police. He visited Govindpur village under Dhinkia Panchayat, the bastion of POSCO Pratirodha Sangram Samiti (PPSS), an outfit leading the anti POSCO struggle for last six years and also saw the police preparedness (about 20 platoon of force is camping there) in the area. Dr Sharma speaks exclusively to Pradeep Baisakh, Senior Editor, OrissaDiary.com and expresses concern over the tensed situation prevailing due to heavy presence of police force in the area.

Q: You visited the Govindpur village under Dhinkia Panchayat, supposed to be the bastion for anti-POSCO movement. What is your observation?

A: The police have arrived in the area with full force and is organising flag marches. This is basically to threaten people to leave the area. The police are now strategising their next move. But the people there are too determined to be intimidated. They are resolved to protect their land by protesting in democratic manner.

Q: On several occasions of land acquisition, like in case of Kalinga Nagar (for TATA steel) in 2006 and in Maikanch (in Kashipur for Utkal Alumina) the state has used force leading bloodshed and loss of lives. Do you apprehend such situation here also?

A: Nothing can be ruled out given the situation now arising out of deployment of heavy police force in Govindpur village. The people are known to have opposed the project for last six years. Despite that if the state decides for forceful eviction leading to any untoward incidence then this will not be termed as mere police action but'genocide'. If you do not anticipate a situation and opens fire to control the crowd leading to loss of life, then that is different. But in this case where you know that people will not leave their land and still you open fire at them, then its genocide. Moreover people in Dhinkia and other Panchayats are democratically protesting.

Q: Jairam Ramesh, the Minister of state for Environment and Forest, GoI gave the environmental clearance to POSCO project ignoring the findings and recommendations of the expert committees appointed by him. How far is that justified?

A: His own appointed committees like Saxena and Meena Gupta committees have given reports of violation of forest rights act and other laws like coastal zone regulations etc by the state government and recommended for withdrawal of all the clearances (Saxena committee and majority of Meena Gupta committee) granted to the project. Despite that if he is giving clearance to the project then it seems that he is influenced. Even though the Minister is under no legal obligation accept the recommendations of the expert committees, but the norm is that the Minister should go through the suggestions carefully and decide accordingly.

Q: The Environment Minster, while pronouncing the final order, heavily depended on the argument of the state government that "Faith and trust is an essential pillar of cooperative federalism". (This was on the issue whether there were Other Traditional Forest Dwellers (OTFDs) present in the area, which the state government denies) Should federalism be based on rule of law or trust and faith?

A: It is obviously the rule of law and the provisions of Constitution that determine the federal character. Faith and trust do not count when it comes to the issue of implementation of laws passed by Parliament (Forest Rights Act, 2006) by the state government.

Q: Is there no scope for peaceful industrialisation? What is the way out for POSCO?

A: The Bhuria Committee on tribal self rule has given extensive recommendations on how the state should include the community as the stake holders in the industrial ventures. The government should hold talks with the people who are losing land and are going to be directly or indirectly affected by the project. Some solution will emerge. Peaceful industrialisation is possible by debates and holding discussion. But if the government depends on using force against its own people for ushering industry driven development, then how it can be peaceful.

Q: The Naveen Patnaik government is going ahead with its pursuit of aggressive industrialisation and has signed above 85 MoUs without any proper estimation of the requirement of land, water and forest and how they would be acquired. This is despite criticism from several quarters. The state has not dithered to use brutal force against its own people while favouring corporate. Despite all these it has bounced back to power with a thumping majority for the third time! Has the representative democracy failed in India to ensure accountability of the government?

A: Yes, it has. Unfortunately, in the representative form of democracy as is being operating in India, the real owners i.e. the people get only one chance to decide in every five years. After a government is elected, it takes the people for granted and pursues its own agenda, which is many a time contrary to the overall interest of people. This is not how representative democracy should function. But unfortunately, it so functions here.

[The author is the Senior Editor, Orissa Diary. He can be contacted through e mail: 2006pradeep@gmail.com ]